Art Bell's Live Interview with Hopi Elders

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Art Bell's Live Interview with Hopi Elders

June 15th and 16th, 1998

GF1 = Grandfather 1

GF2 = Grandfather 2

GM = Grandmother

GW = Robert Ghost Wolf

AB = Art Bell

AB: Good morning, everybody.

I'm Art Bell and if we get our phones hooked up right, and we've just had a disconnect problem, we are going to, in this half hour, have two Hopi Elders on the program.

We've never tried this before.

Unfortunately, we just got a disconnect and we're getting a busy signal trying to get back through.

So, bear with us.

We will have all this connected shortly.

We DO have Robert Ghost Wolf on the line from, I believe, one of the Dakotas.

We'll find out about that in a moment and he'll give us kind of a preamble to what'sgoing to happen.

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AB: Here we go.

This has never been tried on national radiobefore, so anything may happen here, folks.

I have no idea.

First, we are going to go to Robert Ghost Wolf, who is out somewhere in the Dakotas.

Where ARE you, Robert?

GW: I'm in the Black Hills.

AB: Black Hills. Of North Dakota?

GW: South Dakota. I'm here with the family. It's Pow-Wow time. We're just all here together, and I'm going to be talking to some other Elders up here, possibly, about getting together with us.

AB: Would you explain to us?..uh, we are about to hear two Hopi Elders. We are not going to give their real names on the air. We are going to call them "Grandfather 1", "Grandfather 2", and "Grandmother Hopi." Why are we doing this?

GW: There has already been a lot of controversy about these Elders stepping out and speaking like this, to the world, and they have had some threats made against them already, so we are taking precautions to make sure that they're safe. I hope the people can understand this. And, I also hope that people understand that these people are not professional speakers or lecturers. We're going to do the best we can to make this run smoothly, as soon as we get the phone lines hooked up again.

AB: All right. I think we ARE hooked up. Anyway, that is the explanation. There HAVE been threats.

GW: It's very dangerous for something like this to happen and it's very unusual for Elders to come out and speak like this. The thing is, we've hit a point, in our progression through thesechanges, where it's important to get the news out. It's important for the children of the world. It's important for all of us to hear what they have been trying to say, now, for many, many years.

AB: All right. Let's see if we can get the hook-up going here. I believe we're going to Phoenix, Arizona and let's see if we have Grandfather 2 on the line with us. Hello?

GF2: Hello. How!

AB: Yes, hello there.

GF2: Hi!

AB: I hear you just fine.

GF2: Ok.

AB: Thank you for coming on the air tonight. You are going to give us information, Grandfather 2, and also translate for us?..is that correct?

GF2: Yes.

AB: Ok. I think that my first question?..if I mayask the first question?..and Robert, you're welcome to ask one any time you'd like. I would like to ask Grandfather 1 why he has come forward in public at this time?

GF2: {Asks GF1 in Hopi language, then translates.}

GF1: {Answers in Hopi language.} It is our time to bring forth the message into the world. It has been taught to us by our Elders, from way back. That is why I have chosen to step forward and bring out the message today. There are people out there who are leading two lives?..who are there to stop us from putting forth the message, but it is

the Elders, that taught us the wisdom, that are telling us to do this now for you and the rest of the world.

AB: With regard to what may be changing, Earth changes, is the time now very short?

GF2: {Asks, then translates.} It is time for the end times here, that was prophesized and through the dreams that were given to us also. Through those dreams, we are learning that we are getting very close to the end times.

AB: Might we ask how old Grandfather 1 is? His age?

GF2: {Asks?} Seventy-five. 75 years old.

AB: 75 years old. And, how old are the prophecies that we are talking about now?

GF2: {Asks?} He doesn't know exactly what the age of these teachings are. He says they were given to them before Christ. It is mainly by word of mouth that it has been handed down.

AB: How does Grandfather feel about the accuracy of the word that has been handed down? Many people

dispute the Bible and whether or not IT is accurate. With regard to Hopi prophecy, how does HE feel about the accuracy of the prophecy?

GF2: {Asks?} From the time when (?) was the chief, he had been carrying this message. But mainly the message had been carried forth by word of mouth. The accuracy had to deal with how well each individual that was given the opportunity to maintain the exactness of the prophecies. They were all given this prophecy, so they all had to

meet at least once or twice a year, in the Kivas, where they would actually sit down and go back

through that. One person would talk about the prophecies, and if he ever so much as added something to it or left something out, then the rest of the group would know that part of the prophecies was missing. So, they would tell him, "Well, you didn't say this one here," or "You added this to it." So, that is how this was kept alive through word of mouth and everyone had to remember just what those prophecies were about.

AB: Is Grandfather, or are you and others now having many dreams indicating that indeed these are the end times beginning to unfold?

GF2: {Asks?} Yes, I have dreamed about these things and that's how a lot of them are coming about and they are true.

AB: Uh, Robert? Help me out here?

GW: He would probably be willing to share any of his visions of what he see coming in the immediate future.

GF2: I can't hear you, Robert.

AB: Ok, the question is, would Grandfather care to share any specific details of the dreams that he has had about what may be coming soon?

GF2: {Asks?} It wasn't exactly through the dreams. The dreams were part of the teachings that he knows and having to understand the exactness of the prophecies themselves. He had to go out and do a lot of prayers. And then, he would go and do this and was doing this for a whole year. Within a year's time, he had kind of lost interest in the giving of the prophecies to him, because he hadn't received anything. So, he decided to quit for awhile. Finally, within a few months, he decided to go back to his prayers and he would go out and pray. Within four year's time, he started receiving a lot of information. So, that is how most of his information was received?..through asking?..prayer.

AB: Could we please ask why he has decided to share it with the rest of the world? This is something that has not been done before, so why has he decided to share this with us?

GF2: {Asks?} Through the Elder's teachings and wishes. The Elders wanted to let this become public at a time when we were close to the end times. So, he had decided to take this upon himself to let go of these things, in hopes that

there would be a number of people that would understand and realize what is going on and start praying. We ARE very close to it and we are, right now, going through hard times. He wants to set some people aside?..their lives?..so that some lives may be spared.

AB: That was going to be my next question, Grandfather, and that is, if you would ask Grandfather 1 whether prayer, whether becoming spiritual of nature, can or will change any of what is coming?

GF2: {Asks?} It's not a matter of quick change. If you wanted to change now and change your life around and do your prayers, it will help a little in the alleviation of much terrible outcome from the cataclysms. There is a lot in store for all of us and the intensity of this will be a lot less if we can all settle down and behave and not be in the way of the actions we have right now?..like we are all being corrupt. That has to be taken care of. We have to keep ourselves from being corrupted by anything from the outside.

AB: All right. We are going to stop for a moment, now, so everybody relax. Thank you very much. It is a great honor, indeed, to have Grandfathers 1 and 2 with us, and Robert Ghost Wolf in the Black Hills. We're talking about Hopi prophecy, and when we come back, we'll try to press for some details as best we can. I'm Art Bell. This is "Coast-to-Coast AM."

AB: What you're hearing, now, as far as I know, has never been done on national radio, before. So, listen very carefully. Let's go back to the Black Hills and see if Robert Ghost Wolf is still here. Are you there, Robert?

GW: We're still here.

AB: Okay, good and back to Phoenix, Arizona and Grandfather One and Two. Grandfather Two, are you there?

G2: Yes.

AB: What we would like to do, if it's possible, is to ask Grandfather One if he can give us any details of what is going to happen, here on Earth, with this prophecy. What is coming? Any specific details at all?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Actually, there are a few that he thinks are important things that will be coming up pretty

shortly. There's one thing for sure that we are going to come upon is that World War III is....it

will take place....and starvation is definitely a part of this thing, where we will hit starvation.

The weather change, itself, it's erratic, right now, and it's not what it should be. This weather

climate, itself, it's actually taking care of the crops already in a way that we're losing it.

That's part of...you know.....leading us into starvation because the crops will not produce.

GW: Do they know that you were just able to plant the corn up in Hopi land? Just a few days ago, like a week or so ago because of the weather?

G2: Yes. People have just started to do those things and it comes up but the winds are drying

them up and the weather has been erratic, like I said, and it's been very cold. It's been...you know, actually....they get frost bitten. It's kind of like a frost bitten effect on it that it burns it up.

AB: Yes. Yes, we are having the same thing here in Nevada. A kind of a frost bite. You are exactly right. We are having the same thing, here, with the things that we have planted in the ground, in Nevada. As though they were frost bitten but, I think, affected by the winds, as well.

G2: Yes.

AB: Now, these are three things: weather change, mass starvation and the third world war. Would you please ask Grandfather if the weather changes are the beginning of these changes.....if what we have seen now, with the weather, is the beginning and, of course, we're going to want to ask how soon these other changes, he thinks, will happen.

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Yes, these are the signs of, you know, the changes and that also part of it is, you know, right now we're having problems with crickets which is a part of these prophecies where they would come in hoards and they will destroy the crops, also, and that is happening, also.

GW: You're having that in Nevada, aren't you?

AB: Yes, we are. In Southern Nevada we are having that and, apparently, throughout large portions

of the Southwest we are having that.....yes, indeed. So then, these weather changes are the beginning?

G2: Yes.

AB: When does Grandfather think the very serious parts of the prophecies, another world war and mass starvation......when will these begin to manifest? How far away from these are we?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Well, it's been said that there is no exact time and date for these things.....events....to take place but the year 2000 is a ......I would say.....that is a close approximation of the time that all of this will start to take place. The

teaching from the Elders was that they talked about that everything will happen at once but, when they say these things, they put it in a form that, you know, they say it's going to all happen at once but it's not exactness of happening at once. It will happen but they will, you know, fall pretty much short from the other, following , it's like a domino effect. This is, you know, when one thing happens then the other will fall into place. But, you know, it will be in a short time from one another so this is what Grandfather was talking about.

GW: Are we talking within the next two years?

Bell: Well, he seemed to say....by the year 2000. I guess this would be a first question....ifthere is a way to phrase this. Is the weather change, that we now have, the first domino?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: It's been known that this had happened a long time ago but, in our prior world, it happened before, you know, the same things that we had gone through. The teachings were that we were not supposed to follow in the same pattern and try to keep ourselves from going astray from our teachings. These weather patterns that we talked

about and cataclysms that take place, are not really set in order....in a fashion that any person could say that, 'Okay, the winds are going to do it this year and the next year will be fires and the following year will be earthquakes,

you know.' Also, he's saying that it's not exactly his words that that is the way that it will take place but he knows that these are signs out there. Anyone can see that, that it is taking place and it's only going to get bigger.

AB: Grandfather said 'other worlds' or 'other civilizations' and that this has happened before. Now, did Grandfather mean by that that men have walked on the Earth before and that great catastrophes...like the one we are now talking about.....came and wiped them out and man started again. Is that what Grandfather meant?

G2: Yes.

Bell: Oh.

GW: I have a question, if I may?

Bell: You may.

GW: There's a lot of talk, out now, and a lot of theories and a lot of prophecies about these changes having dramatic effects on the configurations of the land masses.....that they will be tremendous, cataclysmic changes. Does Grandfather.....do the Hopis see this as happening in that manner? Will there be very dramatic Earth changes and will cause the face of the Earth, as we know it, to change dramatically?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi tongue.

G2: Ah, yes. The Earth changes will take place in such a way, you know, that this whole planet, here, will become a different type of planet because of the changes in itself. It has happened before, as we mentioned earlier, that it did happen before that they went through these changes and they was taught they we weren't supposed to go back to the same routine that we had gone through in the past life. That was the corruption that we were going through....what we're going through, today. There is so much corruption, out there. These were the things that led us to these things and even animals, insects, all of these things will all turn around on us and, you know, they're going to lead us to the same things again.

GW: So, we're repeating history.

G2: Yes. Even though it can be your own pet, it can turn against you.

AB: The animals will turn against us. Already, I have talked to many experts.....animal experts....who are saying that animal attacks, all across North America, are increasing many, many fold. So, this could be the beginning of that.

G2: Yes.

Bell: Alright, we are close to another break but I would like to ask Grandfather if there will be any difference in the way the people in the cities.....the great cities of America and the World....Los Angeles, New York, Chicago.....will

feel these changes and the people in remote areas like New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and the Dakota where Robert is now? Will there be a big difference?

G2: In the changes?

AB: Yes.

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

AB: Alright, I must break in here, Grandfather. We must take a break, now. When we come back, we will look for the answer to that question. Alright?

G2: Okay.

AB: Good morning. I am Art Bell, and if you're joining us at this hour, we're involved in the middle of something unprecedented on national talk radio, no question about that. In the Black Hills of South Dakota, we have Robert Ghost Wolf. In the area of Phoenix, Arizona, we have Grandfather 1 and Grandfather 2. These are two Hopi Elders, and we are asking questions about Earth changes. Thus far, we have determined that they are close, that the weather-pattern changes are part of it, that the weather is due to change a great deal more, that there will be starvation and World War III. This is Hopi prophecy that you're listening to everybody and in addition to that, we've asked about the cities and thecountry, and massive Earth changes. In other words, changes of continental locations, and that would also appear to be in the offing. We are going to continue to ask questions for as long as we're able. I am Art Bell and this is "Coast-to-Coast AM," so stand by.

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AB: My website is down, so if you're trying to get in it will be futile until we get this squared away. First, back to Robert Ghost Wolf in the Black Hills of South Dakota. For those who have just joined, we are not using names other

than Grandfather 1 and Grandfather 2, two Hopi Elders from the Hopi Sinom. The reason we're not using names, again, uh Robert?..please.

GW: There have been many threats to these Elders, who are having the courage to come out and speak these prophecies to the world, for various reasons. We are trying to keep them and their families safe, and also keep them from being inundated by harassment from people who feel, perhaps, that these messages should not be shared

with everyone in the world, which is not their opinion. This is why they are here now talking to us. I just got news that OUR website is down.

AB: YOUR website is down, too.

GW: If people want to get more information about these prophecies, I have a number that they can call to get the books that have at least 200 of these prophecies in them. That's 1-800-905-8367. There are operators standing by right now, because of what happened to the website. OR they can call the Wolf Lodge office in Washington State at 1-509-465-1606.

AB: That's 1-509-465-1606. It's odd that your site and my site are both down. I think it's traffic-related. All right, now back to Phoenix, Arizona. Grandfather 1, the question was, all of these changes including a world war?..uh, will

there be a different effect in the cities than there is in the country?

GF2: A different effect in the cities?

AB: Yes. In other words, will there be more trouble in the cities?..in America's large cities or the world's large cities?..with these changes?

GF2: {Asks GF1?} Yes, in the big cities, it will effect a lot. You know, how much corruption there will be within the cities. Also, the people themselves have to be aware of all of these things that will take place, so they must change,

too. But, he's not asking anyone to follow him in the way he put himself on the path he is on. He

is not asking anyone to follow him in that. It is

up to the individual to make that decision for

him/herself as to which direction they want to

go. When you make that choice for yourself, what

you want to do with your life, you don't blame

anybody else for your own actions, for what you

do. If something happens to you along the way,

then you are not going to say that you were

forced into it. These are the things that he had

looked into also. That's why he's saying that

he's not asking anyone to follow him in the way

he's leading himself. He's only giving out advice

that this is what they should do. They should

start changing themselves and going back to the

old ways of living simple lives, of taking care

of themselves from the land that is available to

them, and from the food that they grow. These are

the things that will help you along the way when

you come to your hard times. So, the people must

make these decisions for themselves.

AB: All right. There are many that I have

interviewed, many others who see the future, who

say that our Sun is beginning to change and that

it is causing some of these changes here on

Earth. Does Grandfather know anything about that?

GF2: {Asks?} From these teachings that were given

to him, he has understood that the solar axis

itself, of the Sun, is going to change. The

places that normally have cold weather will have

hot weather. You know, the weather itself is

going to get even worse. The temperatures are

going to rise even higher, and that will burn up

the crops and dry up the Earth, so nothing will

be able to grow. It is true that the Sun itself

is being affected by this also.

AB: In farmer's fields around the world, in many,

many places in the world,?..as a matter of fact

even tonight, for the first time ever in the

state of Virginia, there is a very complex crop

circle. These are strange formations in farmer's

crops. Does Grandfather know anything about what

these may be, and why they happen?

GF2: {Asks?} He has heard about these. He has

seen pictures of the crop circles that have been

out there. These are, in his own mind, teachings

also, and they're telling us what is becoming of

our time and where it is leading us. He has had a

chance to look at a few of them, and he does

understand what they're trying to put

through?..the message in the circle itself. It is

telling us that we are very close to it and what

we need to do in order to get ourselves back on

track, and the other end of it?..when he says,

the other end of it, where you get to see all the

things happen and live again?..for a new life to

start.

AB: Ok. Uh, then this is a good question. We have

many strange machines that fly in our sky that we

call UFOs. What do the Hopi have to say regarding

these kinds of things, that have been seen to fly

in the sky, what the Hopi may have called, "Star

Brothers who have come from the heavens?"

GF2: {Asks?} I'd like to add a little to what he

just said. This is referring to the question

prior to this one. I didn't finish it out. He

said that the crop circles were put there by

outside, like the UFO people, but he's not sure

just who put those crop circles there. But, to

get back to the question that is the last one

here, the teachings from the Elders, he said, yes

they know about the possibilities of other life

forms on other planets. The "Old Ones," the old

people, the "Old Ones" way back had the knowledge

and know-how of getting around, and they have

traveled to other planets before and they know

how it is out there, if there is life on other

planets and they DO know that there is life on

other planets and what planets are not liveable.

But, they don't know the exactness of how they

will be helping us out or they will be going

against us. They just know that when we are

getting close to the end times, we will be

visited by people from out there, and we're not

aware whether they're going to help us or go

against us. We do know that they have high

technology to see what is going on.

AB: We have exactly the same problem. We're

trying to understand the nature of who these

beings are. All right, we are at the bottom of

the hour, so everybody can relax for a few

moments. We are being honored with the presence

of two Hopi Elders, Grandfather 1 who is speaking

Hopi and Grandfather 2 who is translating for us.

They're in the Phoenix, Arizona area. In the

Black Hills of South Dakota, we have Robert Ghost

Wolf and we are discussing the details?..specific

details?..of Hopi prophecy, something many did

not want done on national radio or national

anything. I'm Art Bell and this is

"Coast-to-Coast AM."

AB: Alright, back now to my guests, Robert Ghost

Wolf in the Black Hills and Grandfather One and

Two, in Phoenix, Arizona. Here is, I guess, a

hard question but one that I should ask. I

understand that Native Elders speak about

prophecy through the tradition of story telling

and I guess there are stories that relate to

something called the 'Purifier'. Is there some

way that Grandfather could explain to us a story

about what the 'Purifier' is and, perhaps, a

little bit of the story. Is that on okay

question?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: The story about that is that we do know that

we did have a brother who was set out and he is

out there and with that brother and, from the

Society of the One Horned Clan, they made a pact

that....from the One Horned Clan and the Society

and the brother had make like a.....it's a law

that the purifying time would come. This was

already done, it was like it had been already

organized and it was, you know, established.

GW: Like a contract.

G2: The stories that there will be come a time

that whoever is going to come and, you know, to

purify the people.....I'm having a hard time,

here.

AB: I understand. It is hard to translate this.

G2: Ya.

GW: Sometimes there are not words that translate

to English.

AB: I understand. Maybe I could ask this. What is

the 'Purifier'? Is the 'Purifier', is it the

Hopi Prophecy or is the 'Purifier' something

specific? Is it a comet or is it something from

the heavens or how may we know what the

'Purifier' is?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: The 'Purifier' is mentioned is the other

brother that was sent forth, out to the East, and

this was the teaching that he had.....that he was

sent of to the East and he would reach the point

of origin where the Sun would come out from. When

he reached that place, then he would touch his

head to the Earth and he would return back to us.

When this, you know, time comes that's the end

of....the end times....time for a purification

time when he will return back. He is the one that

has the....in a way, you know....the weapons or

the artillery and he is the Big Brother so he

would know what to do and how he would help us

and how we would go about in having to make us

understand. His job is to make us understand and

try to get ourselves to behave in the way that

we're supposed to and, if we don't, then the one

from the West will come and they are the ones

that are going to come with much force. He, the

'Purifier', the one that went to the East, is

supposed to be big enough to take on the ones

that are coming from the West. That is going to

become like the Third World War.

AB: Third World War, is the 'Purifier'. Alright,

he has talked much....Grandfather has talked much

about corruption. In our cities and in our small

towns.....and I do not know about your

reservations.....but in our cities and small

towns, we have, now, many, many stories of

children going to school and shooting other

children and teachers and their parents. Things

that we cannot seem to understand, at all. Does

Grandfather have any idea why these things seem

to be happening in our society?

GW: We also might want to see if Grandmother

might like to speak on this subject.

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: You know, in the cities itself, what's going

on.....what you mentioned.....yes, these are part

of the teachings and the prophesies that, when we

get to these end times, you know, we're all going

to start going corrupt. Even, you know, the

children because they don't really believe in

anything, even what we're trying to teach them

and what we try to talk to them about. You know,

they look at you but they have a different

opinion about these things and they don't believe

that. It's hard to try to teach the young ones

and even grown-ups, even adults, are in the same

situation. It's not just the children who are in

this kind of situation, right now, it's even the

adults who are in that kind of situation and, you

know, there's a lot of corruption in this way,

but we do know that these things would start to

take place in the school systems and all over

where even young children would start to take

lives, like that, because it is just a corruption

of the mind from the way things are going, right

now.

Grandfather One speaks to Grandfather Two.

G2: Even the children will go against their own

parents. These are the things that have been

taught. They're all going to start turning

against their own parents and that's what's

happening, that's what you're seeing out there.

AB: Yes, we are. Grandfather talked about

corruption. Is it reasonable to ask this? Could

this be happening to us, also, because we have

reached a fantastic level of technology and have

changed from spiritual to materialistic human

beings, where our technological knowledge exceeds

our spiritual wisdom? Can you translate that?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Yes. He feels that, that is happening, there,

that we're misleading ourselves from that, from

the material side of it and walking away from the

spiritual sense of it.

AB: Has this, also, occurred with the Hopi

Nation? It is occurring, of course, in this

country....in the cities....in the small

towns.....this move to materialism, but has it

also been occurring within the Hopi Nation?

G2: Yes, it is happening there, too. Yes.

AB: Do Grandfather's people believe that it is

worthwhile stockpiling food and water or are

these changes going to be so big that is simply,

really doesn't make much difference, one way or

the other?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Ya, he does know that it is known that we

should, you know, stockpile our goods....our dry

goods.....and it's been taught from long

time.....way back. That's why we should never

forget, you know, about farming and how to take

care of ourselves because you never know when it

will hit and that's why they teach us these

things, as young. Also, to answer the end part of

your question, it is worth doing that. When the

time comes, it may not be, you know, such a good

idea to do that but it's worth trying to do

something like that because they say that, you

know, the time in their limitation is at least a

month to two months that we will be without food

and water so we need to store away as much as we

can for that amount of time. We have different

clans who are supposed to take care of these

situations. About the food items and things like

that, there are certain clans that do have that

power and authority over that but the majority of

the people, out home, they have walked away from

their teachings and they've walked away from

their spiritual side of it. They've forgotten

that and.....I guess I could say that they really

haven't forgotten it but they've just ignored it

and now they will have to suffer the

consequences.

AB: Alright, I think that we probably don't have

time for another translated question before the

top of the hour so, hold on in Phoenix. We're

very honored to have you with us. Robert, is

there anything that you can think of that we

should be asking when we come back?

GW: I would suggest that we ask Grandmother if

she would like to speak on some of these matters.

AB: Alright.

GW: I think that would be a good thing and,

perhaps, we could ask her again about the

children or what we can do for our children and

then possibly go into what is meant by the

emergence of the 5th World and what we're going

to.

AB: And, also, I guess we might endeavor to ask

whether Hopi Prophecy tells us anything about

what is going to happen after the Purification,

after the changes.

GW: What will life be like, then?

AB: That's right, so that is exactly what we'll

do. Alright, everybody, I'm Art Bell and I don't

think this has every been done before and we're

trying to do it, tonight. You are listening to

two Hopi Elders from the Sinom, in Arizona.

You're listening to Robert Ghost Wolf who is in

the Black Hills of South Dakota. I'm Art Bell, in

Pahrump.

AB: Alright, back now to Robert Ghost Wolf in

South Dakota, in the Black Hills. Robert, are you

there?

GW: Yes, I'm here.

AB: Alright, you suggested that we speak with

Grandmother about the problem with the children.

So, let us do exactly that and ask Grandmother,

if she is there, the same question. We have so

many children, now, that seem to be turning

against their parents....turning against their

teachers.....and turning against other children,

in fact, killing them. Some people have looked at

our children and said that they seem like human

beings with no soul.....with no spirit....within

them. What is happening to us?

GM: Okay, I'll try my best. Well, nobody teach

the children, anymore, about the spiritual

pathway so they're turning against one another.

The mothers are so busy working, you know, they

teach their children at home so they're being

left out and they no longer get than love from a

mother like they're supposed to. It's really sad

to see what is going on out there.

AB: Do you also believe, as we have heard from

Grandfather One, that Hopi Prophecy is now

telling us that the end times are very, very

near.

GM: Yes, uh huh. Yes, that is true.

AB: Robert, anything?

GW: Grandmother, what words can we share with

some of the mothers that are out there watching

these conditions? There are so many mothers who

seem to wonder what they can do and how they can

help their children. Do you have any words that

you can share with these mothers?

GM: Well, praying....first is praying.....and to

go through that path with the Creator. We have

forgotten how to walk that path so they need to

get on that path to survive.

AB: Okay, that seems quite clear to me. Alright,

then, Grandmother, thank you very, very much.

Thank you for coming on.

GM: Uh huh.

AB: And I think, now, that we need to go back to

Grandfather because I want to ask the

Grandfather....he has talked to us much about

what is the prophecy of what is coming and coming

very soon. So, it is a very important question,

I believe, to pose and the question is.....after

the purification, after the purifying, after the

changes, after the war.....what will the world be

like?

Grandfather One and Grandfather Two converse in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Well, the outcome of this, after that

purifying time, the lifestyle will change....more

or less. Those people or those ones that have

been working, you know, with the evil or and the

dark side are going to be eliminated. Only those

that are walking on the one path and believing in

that one and with a good heart, those are the

ones that are going to continue this and there

will be some....what you would say....there might

be some people who have the minds that are like

the scientists that can develop things. Right

now we are not supposed to be taking the minerals

out of the Earth for any reason at all, you know.

Only certain minerals but only for the amount

that you need, that's what was taught. But other

than that, we're not supposed to reap the Earth,

you know, and tear it up like that...what we're

doing now. Like intermarriage, it's not supposed

to be done. Only after purification time will

intermarriage be possible, you know, that we can

start to marry other people.....other walks. This

is, you know, when the people will come together

after purification time and all walks, that have

been spared, will come together and one language

will be spoken. There will be one law and it has

been taught to say that, you know, some people

say that it's gonna be their language or it's

going to be the Hopi language that's going to be

spoken but this is, you know, something that is

not very known as to what language will be spoken

but there will be one language that will be

spoken. Togetherness is what will come about

where we're going to come back to what was once

before. What Adam and Eve came upon was, you

know, was the Garden of Eden where everything

will be flourishing, even, you know, the flowers

and the vegetation. Everything will be back to

normal but from thenceforth we are allowed to do

these things and we can take the minerals out of

the Earth, to use for a purpose, and not to

really destroy it, though.

Grandfather One comments

G2: And all the....he mentioned, also, which I

forgot to mention......was the altars and the

shrines, of the different societies, will be

eliminated and all those will be, you know, have

to be put away because they will no longer have

power and authority over anything so these will

be eliminated.

AB: Will there be a single power or a single

authority or a single law or will everybody

simply understand, inside themselves, that we are

now one? There are many who talk, in our world,

about a single world government.....a single

world ruler. Is that what Grandfather is speaking

of?

G2: Yes, but not in the fashion that we

understand it, now......what they're talking

about....the New World Order. See, that's more or

less in a dictatorial form but this is done in a

way, you know, where freedom is an essence.

AB: Alright. Grandfather spoke about World War

III. I would like to be clear about this. Does he

see men killing men.....humans killing

humans.....or does he just see explosions and

fire? Is that what he calls World War III?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: What you had mentioned about which one is,

you know, the one that's going to be...he said

that the taking of lives, you know, this is what

will take place because it will be like an

elimination of good from the bad. He mentioned

about Hitler, you know, that Hitler had done a

lot....done away with a lot of people, too, and

when that took place, he said that many of the

people were....many of the Hopi had realized this

and they were glad that this took place because

it was a teaching that took place. It was trying

to teach the people that this is what is going to

happen, see, so look at this as more or less as a

warning that this will take place, again.

AB: A warning of a Holocaust.

G2: Yes. So, there will be lives lost. A lot of

lives will be lost.

AB: Does Grandfather understand how some lives

will be saved while other lives will be spared

with so much fire and war? I guess the question

is, will it be like an Anti-Christ which some

people think will arise, soon....in our world, an

Anti-Christ. I don't know if the Hopi have any

similar prophecy regarding one who will come,

like Hitler, again.

Grandfathers One and Two converse in the Hopi

Tongue.

AB: Grandfather, I'm sorry, I must interrupt.

Please apologize for me. We are on a break, now.

If he could finish the answer and we will get the

answer when we come back. Would that be alright?

G2: Okay.

AB: Okay, thank you. Breaking right here. This is

Coast to Coast with Art Bell.

AB: Alright, we are back now with our guests and

we had asked a question about the

'Purifier'....about what we call the Anti-Christ

and whether the Hopi have or understand there to

be such a being, coming. Do you have that answer,

now, Grandfather Two?

G2: Yes. He mentioned that, yes, the Anti-Christ,

that there is, you know, that he is coming again

but there have been a lot of people that have

walked away from that.....from the teachings and

walked away from their spiritual path. They went

and decided to do something else, you know,

rather than having to walk that and he will come

in again and he is the one that is going to set

us straight, again, on this thing here.

Grandfather One speaks to Grandfather Two in Hopi.

G2: The teachings are that the Creator, itself,

what we talked about....the Christ....it's the

same thing. What life that we're supposed to

lead, we've strayed away from it what he....we

told him that we would follow him in the same way

and, if we walk away from these teachings then,

he was the one that was living that and walking

that. Then he gave us a choice to do that, also,

and if we disregard everything that was taught to

us and we walked away from it. He will come back

in and step in and take it over again back for

himself because he had mentioned that he was the

first and he will be the last. So, this is what

will happen.

AB: Alright, I have a question. People are

sending me faxes and this is a fax I have

received. "Given that we are in the end times,

and that there will be much turmoil, violence,

death and destruction....is there anything that

we, the living, can do to prepare our souls for

the long, long path that we will all walk down

after our physical lives end?"

Grandfathers One and Two confer in the Hopi language.

G2: Ya, our teachings that we given to us, we've

strayed away from it and how we are supposed to,

you know, alleviate a lot of some of these things

and it's going to be too late for us to try to

turn around and walk that spiritual path because

we are taught that we are supposed to be on that

path from way back. We should have been changing

ourselves quite a number of years back because it

doesn't take over night for a person to

change....to walk a path....the chose path. Also,

it doesn't take over night for the Creator to

believe in you. He has to look at you, you know,

your heart is the thing that has to change and

it's not going to change over night. These are

the things that are very hard to change on a

person and so right now we look at it that it is

already too late to start changing.

AB: Okay, I think that is very clear.....too

late. May I ask about the kachinas. What are the

kachinas and what do they mean to us, today?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in

the Hopi Tongue.

G2: These spirits that we talk about, are in a

sense, the teachings but we can't go into detail

of who they are.....what they are. I mean, you

know, because only an initiated person should

know about the knowledge of these but the only

thing we can say is that they are spirits and

that they are out there and they have their own

home. Throughout the years, our elders of the

different villages, you know, have been working

with the spirits and making the prayer feathers

for them and asking for their power to come in

and bring in the rain for the crops because we

don't have any way of irrigation our fields. We

live in a desert area. This is a chosen area

because the Hopi had been know to survive in an

arid place. Hopi has been know that they would

strive and survive, even in a desert place where

there is no water really available for those

kinds of things. So, they ask, through prayer, to

ask their crops to survive and this is a strong

sense of spirituality of the Hopi.

AB: And it is to these kachinas that you pray?

G2: Yes. They come in the form of clouds.

AB: Would you ask Grandfather, this. Earlier we

asked him about the Sun and he said the Sun would

shift on it's axis. There are many who think

these Earth changes that are so imminent,

now.....so soon.....will mean that the Earth will

also change on it's axis in response to what the

Sun does. Now, the question is, is there anything

in Hopi prophecy about changes in the pattern of

the stars because that is what we would see after

an axis change here on Earth? Would the stars

look different?

Grandfathers One and Two converse.

G2: Yes, he believes that the axis of the Earth

itself will change, also.....shift....and that

will cause a lot of Earth changes, itself, also.

About the stars that you mentioned, there have

been a lot of stories about these things and they

pertain to a lot of what happened with the stars,

too. He says he doesn't know exactly but it's

true that a lot of what happened with the stars

and different things....the patterns.....are true

and now they talk about these things as just like

stories and like fairy tale stores but most of

them are true. He doesn't know exactly what will

take place out there, again, if that should every

happen.

AB: Alright. Would you ask Grandfather to give us

some few things that we should all watch and look

for to happen in the next say.....18

months.....or year and a half.

Grandfathers One and Two confer.

G2: Okay, he says that these earthquakes are

eminent but there is no real date as to when

these will take place. That big earthquake that

was supposed to hit California had been altered,

in a way, by the Tibetans who had heard about

that and they did a lot of prayers there and they

helped in altering the intensity of the

earthquake that took place in California. That

is, you know, something that we should look for

is a large earthquake that would take place. It's

going to be real big. It's going to be

devastating.

AB: Alright, we are running out of time and I

would like to say it has been a very, very great

honor and you will need to translate once we're

off, for me, to have you and to have Grandfather

One and Grandmother on the program, this morning.

I would hope that, someday, if we have the time,

that we could do this, again. It has been a very

great honor and this message has gone out to

many, many millions of people and we will all

hope that the message is heard and that

somebody......individually.....many

somebodies.....will begin to make changes. We

will pray for this. I want to thank you for being

on the air with me, this morning. So, after we're

off, will you translate all that for Grandfather?

G2: Okay.

AB: Again, for all your help, I want to thank you

so very, very much.

G2: Okay, thank you again for having us on your

show.

AB: Thank you and good night. Robert, we will

continue with you if you can stay, after the

break.

GW: We'll stay.

AB: Alright, there you have it.

AB: Alright, now let's go to the Black Hills of

South Dakota. We're going to take calls

shortly....in just an very few moments.....but I

would simply like to ask Robert Ghost

Wolf....first of all, thank you for bringing the

Hopi Elders to us, Robert....number one.

GW: You're welcome.

AB: Number two, I wonder if, as you listened, if

there were any surprise answers for you and just

generally get your reaction to what Grandfather

said.

GW: I wouldn't say that there was anything, in

particular, that took me by surprise. I think it

was clear that we have come to a point, as we

look around and see the events that are already

occurring around us every day, that we have

reached a point where we clearly have to make

some very pointed decisions on where we're going

to go with our lives and how we're going to live

them. If we don't make these decisions, if we

don't realize the importance of these decisions,

and we waiver back and forth....we will keep the

story and we have done before.

AB: Grandfather seemed rather clear when he said

that it is too late. He said that quite clearly.

It is too late. In other words, it is

irreversible. The changes that are going to occur

are going to occur.

GW: Absolutely. You can't turn the path around,

now, but perhaps what we can do is govern the way

we walk down that path and the impact of what we

hit. As far as changing it and escaping it,

there's no escaping the eventuality...the

realities that we're going to be experiencing.

AB: There's one more thing, Robert. This

broadcast was heard throughout many nations,

Native American nations. I'm sure that the Hopi

Nation, as well, was tuned in and I wonder what

you imagine the reaction to this widely heard

broadcast, will be? Not so much in the cities,

where people have listened, but in the Native

American Reservations? What do you think other

Nations and other Hopi will have to say about

what we just heard?

GW: I'm sure that we're going to get a large

cross section of reactions to it. I would hope

that one of the things that we can realize out of

this and one of the things that, perhaps, one of

the things that the people in the Nations will

grasp out of this, is the importance of coming

back to their spirituality and the need of the

Earth and of the children for us to wake up and

to open up our hearts, again.

AB: Alright, let's try some calls. There's is one

other thing I want to do. I know you have two

books out with many, many prophesies in them and

there is a number where people can get those

books, right?

GW: Yes, they can call 1-800-905-8367 or they can

call Wolflodge Office, in Washington State,

509-465-1606.

AB: Alright, wonderful. The title of the two books?

GW: Last Cry and Winds of Change, which is like

volume two of Last Cry. In the book there's over

400 prophecies.

AB: Four hundred. Okay, let's go to the phone and

give some listeners the opportunity to ask

questions. First time caller line you're on the

air with Robert Ghost Wolf. Hello.

Caller: Hi, this is Dee from Minnesota. Thank you

for your show, it's very informative. This is for

Robert. I just recently got the Hopi Survival Kit

Book, I've been reading through that. I was

wondering if you would know if Elderly Dan

Everheema (sp?) is still alive?

GW: Dan is still alive.

Caller: Okay, that's great.

AB: He is. Young lady, what was your reaction in

hearing all of this, tonight?

Caller: Well, I guess it wasn't as much of a

surprise because I had just gone through most of

the Hopi Survival Kit and I recommend that to

everybody in the audience to read that. It's

really kind of sad. It really explains the Hopi

Tribe and it really gives a good background of

it. I don't know, it's really

informative......even more so. It's amazing how

the Creator.....who they say "Mafa' (sp) it just

really goes along with Christian belief.

AB: It is and, as a matter of fact, yes, I've

already had several faxes. Robert, it's true. As

you listen.....if you listened carefully.....so

much of what Grandfather said had a

parallel.....a correlation.....in the Bible.

GW: Yes.

AB: Did you catch that?

GW: Yes, and I think if we go back to the sources

of a lot of the information and stories there in

the Bible, we go back to a time where people more

or less had more of a commonality between them.

There's comparisons that are comparable between

many of the Caldean understandings and their

understandings of the stars and the Native

American understanding of the stars and the maps

and events that will happen. The same thing in

the Mayan which goes back again to we are truly

all one.

AB: East of the Rockies you're on the air with

Robert Ghost Wolf. Hi.

Caller: Hello. How are you doing, tonight? I

appreciate being on. This is Gene from Logan,

Utah, KVNU country. I very much appreciate your

book The Quickening, it was great. I'm curious to

know, from Robert, if he knows or cares to

comment anything on the White Indian Tribe, down

in Central South America. There is supposedly a

very wise chief among them. Do you know anything

of that, Robert?

AB: Or of tribes in South America, generally.

GW: I believe that what we're referring to is a

people known as the Shicargwans (sp?). These are

people who are very involved in the original

Ghost Dance with Levoka (sp?) and his people and

he goes back to stories of the hail prophet.

These people lived in Guatemala and that's really

all I would want to say about it right now

because it's a whole conversation that would

deserve much more time to explain so it could be

understood.

AB: Alright. West of the Rockies you're on the

air with Robert Ghost Wolf. Hi.

Caller: Hi Art and hi Robert. This is Bonnie from

Spokane, Washington There's a couple of things

that have happened, today. First of all, I've

been trying for years to get through and have

never gotten through so I was meant to get

through.

AB: I'm terribly sorry that you didn't get

through until now but we've got you so go ahead.

Caller: First of all, Robert, I wanted to tell

you something that happened here, today, in

Spokane. We had a double rainbow and I've never

seen that. I called an elderly lady that I know

that's 83, she said she had never seen a double

rainbow. Just four days ago, we had a hive of

bees......a black cloud.....come over our place.

The bees went into an old house which is 100

years old. I live on a 160 acre farm north of

Spokane and this hive of bees came and went into

the house. Now several things have happened on

this farm. My granddaughters are 6th generation.

We have seen the circles in the crops. My fish

have been going crazy, bouncing off the side of

their tank. Our alfalfa has been dry. The

temperature here has been 15 degrees lower than

normal and I just wonder.....and I do have a

grandchild that is Native American.....and I have

a grandchild, who lives on the same farm, who is

a special needs. The Native Americans,

apparently, used to call our little area here,

Hungry Hollow. I feel that I was meant to be

here. What can I do besides teaching my

granddaughters the love and the respect and the

spirituality. I feel I've been called and I don't

know what that calling is for.

GW: I'm going to answer that in a story and I'm

going to try to make the story short. There's a

story about one day the Sun was having an

argument with the North Wind. The North Wind

said, 'I bet I can make this man take his coat

off quicker than you can' and the Sun said, 'Go

ahead, do your best'. So, the Wind came along and

blew and blew and it got colder and colder. The

man turned around and drew the coat tighter and

tighter around him and finally he got so cold

that he just got under a tree and fell asleep

with his coat on. The Wind kept blowing but

finally the Wind just got tired and gave up. The

Sun just sat there watching, shining like it

does, doing nothing. It just kept shining and the

clouds went away and it got warmer and warmer.

The Sun was just shining and the man took off his

coat. So, all you have to do is keep shining.

AB: Ya, that's a good answer. Wild Card line

you're on the air with Robert Ghost Wolf. Good

morning.

Caller: Good morning from San Francisco, KSFO,

this is Nancy. I also feel the same way because I

also tried to get through every day last week and

I'm so happy to be here because it's an honor to

have Mr. Ghost Wolf there and the Elders. It's a

sacred moment, very important. I wanted to share

a vision I had and then ask a question. I had a

vision, 14 days ago, and it was like I was kind

of becoming awake and I saw a vision of

everything that Art has talked about the last

week and it was like the end was coming. It was

very troublesome. Then, there was a big delta

winged UFO, the size of a football field, and

then there were flying saucers around it and

then, to the west side, there was like a hologram

in the sky that was a crop circle, as described

in Linda Moulton Howe's book, Glimpses of Other

Realities. In the middle, there was a hologram in

the sky that was the Star of David type of crop

circle that's in her book. The important thing

was, that to the left of that, there was a vision

of.....I think it was Ramses, the pharaoh, the

II, sitting on a tablet. Then, I asked "What does

that mean?" and it was like, "I am the gateway to

the parallel universe which is pure spirit". I

woke up and I thought, you know, that was a very

interesting thought and it wasn't a dream but it

was something that I needed to share with other

people. So, I don't know whether or not any of

the tribes go back as far as the Aztecs or the

pyramids or in their legends they have spoken

about any of the Pharaohs? I did a little

research and the two things that referred to

those sort of experiences are in Daniel the

second and it says, "But there is a God in heaven

that revealeth secrets to the King Nebuchanezar,

which shall be in the latter days. Thy dreams and

visions of thy head upon thy bed." Then last

night, I had a horrible dream about a plate shift

in San Francisco in the Marina District and I was

so frightened. I don't dream, normally. So, I

just wanted to ask the question of you, whether

or not their folklore or their legends or the

things they pass on go back to the pyramids and

if that could be tied in?

GW: Well, you have to understand that a lot of

the p

GW: Again, I think we can go back to something

Grandfather spoke of which is it's a matter of

personal decision. Where we're headed for.....the

purification.....is not so much a judgment as it

is a clarification. It's a birthing. It's a

changing and a moving forth to a new energy and

the choice to do that....the choice to open up to

visions or messages or open up to the new

frequencies and harmonics of the matter

of personal

choice. There are those who would rather just

turn their heads away and not look and those who

would just rather keep repeating the same

patterns. Obviously, from what we discussed

tonight, their outcome is pretty clear.

Caller: That's why I was wondering about the

other entities perhaps influencing those who are

not awake.

GW: Entities or energies?

Caller: Entities.

GW: We have created a lot of our own negativity

in this reality and we tend to gravitate toward

that much more easily than we do toward the

positive outlook and the positive outcome so, in

order for us to turn around and to utilize the

lessons that are coming now, it is going to take

a great deal of personal effort. We have to

relearn how to think 'good'.

Caller: Is there any information, in Hopi Legend,

regarding entities who do not want us to succeed

on the spiritual path?

GW: Ya, well I write a lot about that in my

books.....a lot about that.

Caller: Well, then I'll have to pick that up.

Thank you.

AB: Alright. Wild Card line you're on the air

with Robert Ghostwolf. Hello.

Caller: Hello. I'm in San Diego. I'd like to ask

a question whether the Creator created everything

and whether the Creator makes errors? I notice

that Ghostwolf just said we had to relearn to

think good, that suggests that we were in a good

state and knew how to abide in a good

state......well, apparently we didn't if we fell

out of it. What I'm wondering is, if we were in a

good state.....on the good path....on the

spiritual path.....the Creator is good.....his

path is good......it seems to me, that would be

the most desirable state of all. So, how is it

possible for us to desire, as you say, and feel

more comfortable in the negative....if we were

originally in the positive. In other words, why

is there a need for purification. How does

defilement enter into the creation in the first

place if the Creator is good and has complete

power and freedom and knows what he's

doing.....loves his beings......doesn't want them

to suffer......why all this misery and

complication?

AB: Well, I don't know. Do you have a mirror?

GW: You're walking through a self created dilemma.

Caller: Pardon?

GW: You're walking through a self created

dilemma. It's not a matter of casting blame. It's

a matter of looking around and realizing what we

have created for ourselves.

AB: Precisely. That is exactly what we have done.

We have created all of this, ourselves, haven't

we? What is coming....if I listened to the

interview carefully and I think I did.....the

behavior, the corruption and all the rest of

it......is that not what Grandfather said?

GW: We have created a self-imposed reality

consequence. Now, the Creator is saying......as

the Creator always said......the choice is yours.

AB: East of the Rockies you're on the air with

Robert Ghostwolf. Hello.

Caller: Hi. My name is Stephanie. I'm in Elgon on

89 WLS. Thank you very much. Gentlemen, it is

such an honor. Robert Ghostwolf I have heard you

before and I also got on the Net and I saw the

things that you saw in the mountains which were

fascinating and wonderful and what I thought was

totally true. It was really an honor to hear that

you brought these people to give their

information to the world. My question would be,

as a person that's trying to get out of the city,

and I have some options here. My gut feeling is

to like sort of cut and run and get out to the

country. I'm not that far away from it. I'm in

Illinois but I'm sort of near Wisconsin. I would

ask your suggestion to that. I have my definite

gut feelings and I'm sort of ready to make

alterations, here. What would you think?

GW: I don't think anybody should ignore their gut

feelings, you can end up with a real bad tummy

ache.

Caller: (Laughs)

GW: If your gut feelings are saying you should do

this, then you should do this. Perhaps most of

our personal dilemmas, in life, are because we

don't follow our get feeling.

Caller: Boy, what a good comment that is.

AB: What a true comment that is.

Caller: Excellent. Thank you.

AB: West of the Rockies you're on the air with

Robert Ghostwolf. Hi.

Caller: Good morning and how are you? Robert,

earlier in the program you mentioned something

about the 5th world and I don't believe that got

addressed. I wondered if you would take about

that?

AB: Quite true, it did not get addressed. The 5th

world, Robert, what does that mean? Are they

referring to dimensions or yet another cycle of

the present dimension, on this world?

GW: We're talking about where we're going. We've

been through the first world, which was the

spirit world......the second world, which was the

mineral world.....the third world, which was the

vegetable world.....the fourth world, which is

the animal world......and the fifth world is

where man walks upright in the spirit....where he

again becomes that which he was in the beginning.

So, the fifth world is the world that we will

created. The consequence of what that world will

be and how many of us will make it through to

that other world, totally.....again.....depends

on our own actions.

AB: Alright, let's keep going. First time caller

line you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf. Hi.

Caller: Hi, Robert Ghostwolf. It's an honor to

speak with you. I'm calling from Vancouver,

Canada. I'd like to know what advice you can give

for people who are receiving visions and dreams

and want to be able to decipher them to find out

the true purpose of why these are coming to them,

now. I guess the important ones I've had this

year, January 1st of this year. I woke up from a

dream where I realized that I was being shown

that there was a mass of ships that were hovering

in the sky and some people saw them and some

didn't. Some members of my family didn't see

them and I was trying to get them to see it but I

understood later that it was meant for some

people to see them and some not. Basically, I'm

guessing from what I've read in books and from

what I've read from other sources, that's one way

of looking at it. I've also had a dream of a

female with very long blonde hair and when she

turned around her eyes were perfect circles and

they are blue piercing eyes. She was holding a

huge crystal that was glowing greenish blue and

there was a tall native guy, in there, and I was

supposed to protect the little child. I've had

reoccurring dreams where I'm consistently asked

to look after little children.

AB: Alright, we'll have to hold it there. More

and more people having dreams, having visions.

It's becoming, obviously, from listening, more

and more common lately. What do you say to these

people?

GW: One of the things that they can do, that is

very helpful, is if they try to write these

down....like in a little journal. What we can

find, a lot of times, is that these dreams and

these visions......as we start to look at them in

sequence of how they had them......they actually

tell us a story. Maybe it's not clear in the one

specific experience but as we look at 3 or 4 or 5

of them, perhaps it becomes clear to us. There's

a lot of visions, that I hear......especially

from women......about taking care of children

because, in this time, I think we're going to see

a lot of homeless children. That, too, is part of

the prophecy.

AB: Alright, I think we might have time for one

more call. East of the Rockies you're on the air

with Robert Ghostwolf. Hello.

Caller: Yes, good morning gentlemen. Wonderful

show. I'm in Philadelphia. I wanted to mention

that I think that, as we have these visions and

as we have these expectations, that each of us

needs to focus on where each of us is in a

process. Every moment is an important future, to

us, and that each moment that we do what we

consider the right thing, we improve all of our

chances for making a better transition. I

appreciated listening to the Elders, very much,

Robert. Thank you, so much.

GW: Thank you for listening.

AB: Yes, indeed. Thank you for your call.

Alright, Robert, is there anything......in

closing.....that you would like to say to

everybody? It's a question I wish I had had time

to ask Grandfather but I thought I would reserve

it for you. Anything, in closing, that you would

like to say to everybody out there?

GW: I think the most important thing that we can

do now, is to realize that we are going to

experience things that we have not experienced

before. We're going to see things that we never

even conceived that we could see. We're going to

go through changes. We're going to go through

trials. The most important thing that we can do

is to turn inward because, if we turn inward and

we open up the inward, then that which happens

outside will be a result of what we have opened

up inside. If we keep looking outward and forget

the inside, then we'll be lost in the illusion.

AB: Where do you go from where you are now?

You're in the Black Hills. How long are you going

to be there and where do you head next?

GW: I'm up here with my family and with Elders,

talking about what we might do with you if we

have an opportunity to hear some people. After

here I go back to Washington and I prepare for

the Ghost Dance, in August.

AB: Alright. Well, it has been an absolute

pleasure......as always.....having you on. If the

Elders, there, in the Black Hills, would like to

come on and also add their voice to those already

in the night....this night.....we would be

honored to have them. Please pass that on to

them, alright?

GW: We thank you.

AB: Thank you and good night, Robert. That's it

folks.